Will ALL Be Saved? Part 1

My next topic will cover the issue: "Will All be saved?"
I believe many people will be cast into Hell, or the Lake of Fire for all of eternity and separated from Jesus Christ forever. I know that many LDS do not believe this. This topic will not exactly be on the issue of Hell or works, but both will be brought up. The main focus is going to be "Will ALL be saved or Only Some?"

I was having a talk with an LDS member who says,

Rick, what does ALL mean?

We both agree the word ALL means ALL. The problem is, the Bible simply does not teach that ALL will be saved. Like I said to him, "Is it really ALL or some?" What I mean is that not only does the Bible not teach ALL will be saved, but mormon theology teaches many will be lost as well.

Many Mormons object to an eternal hell on the basis that it would seem cruel for God to punish His own children in such a manner. But Mormons seem to either forget or ignore the fact that the Bible teaches we are not all God's Children. We are all God's creation, but not all are God's children. Read,

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on His name.

Let's also remember that Mormonism teaches that Lucifer's demon forces, which are clearly destined for "outer darkness," make up one-third of God's "children" (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 195). While Christianity affirms that many people who were created by God will perish in hell, Mormonism also espouses this idea by admitting that at least one-third of God's children will be in this state. Mormons may criticize the biblical teaching that many will perish in hell, but to do so is really hypocritical when LDS doctrine condemns a minimum of one-third of God's spirit children to outer darkness. This could easily amount to billions of God's so-called "offspring." This should be especially disconcerting to the Mormon since these condemned demons are really his fallen brothers and sisters.

Please go back and read all the verse I posted under the Subject of How do LDS view these Bible Verses? These talk about an eternal hell or people not being saved.
The LDS member I have been talking with said that Lucifer is a son of perdition, and the reason why he is a son of perdition is because he was not born into this earthly world with a body of flesh and bone. So According to Mormon Doctrine, pg. 746, under the title, "Sons of perdition,", this is the case. So my question to him was, "If this makes Lucifer a son of perdition because he never had a body of flesh and bone, how is it, the Holy Spirit goes from having no body in the pre-existence, to being a God within the LDS Godhead?"

I don't know about you guys, but this simply seems really unfair and not very loving. The Holy Spirit attains Godhead simply by passing all this mortal life has to offer, yet it is the goal of Mormons to attain Godhood by living out the laws and entering the temple to attain the Celestial Heaven. Many LDS will not attain Godhood, yet how fair and loving is your god to deny you Godhood because you failed at some point, while the Holy Spirit simply becomes a God with no reason ever given?

Now the question of "Will ALL be saved?" How do LDS handle these verses?

Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Matthew 10:28 says, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Jesus said in Matthew 18:9 that "if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." (Also see Mark 9:43.) In addition, Jesus warned his followers in Luke 12:5 to "fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell."

Matthew 7:22-23: "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.

The Bible is clear. People will be cast into the Lake of Fire that burns for all of eternity. Notice that this passage does not say, only the sons of perdition will be cast into the Lake of Fire. It says, "all whose names were not found in the Book of Life." Add to this that Jesus said to many that did do miracles and MANY GOOD WORKS "I never knew you."

Here are some more hard verses.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of Man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall he sit upon the throne of His glory:

Mat 25:32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

Mat 25:33 And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave Me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took Me in:

Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed Me: I was sick, and ye visited Me: I was in prison, and ye came unto Me.

Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer Him, saying, Lord, when saw we Thee an hungred, and fed [Thee]? or thirsty, and gave [Thee] drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we Thee a stranger, and took [Thee] in? or naked, and clothed [Thee]?

Mat 25:39 Or when saw we Thee sick, or in prison, and came unto Thee?

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done [it] unto Me.

Mat 25:41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Notice it does not say, God makes two Groups, The Sons of God and the Sons of perdition.

Read,

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Notice it says, these people will not inherit heaven. It does not say they will only inherit the 3rd heaven. If All will receive salvation, then why does the Bible tell us and teach us, God destroyed kingdoms and nations and people? For example, the world wide flood of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah, the ten plague's in Egypt. Read the Book of Revelation and all the judgments to strike the earth. Almost the entire earth will be destroyed. God says He cuts it short lest ALL flesh will be destroyed.

This seems real unfair and unloving for God to do to His children. Just curious here, but the Bible is also very clear, there are people who place their trust in and follow false prophets and false messiahs.
What happens to these people according to LDS thinking?

Jesus declared in

John 14:6 that He alone was "the way, the truth and the life."

Not just any Christ will do. I will give many quotes from LDS sources to support my view on the topic "Not ALL will be saved" in part two. Rick b