Saturday, March 24, 2007

LDS Changing Doctrine, Part 1

I hear many LDS claim, "OUR DOCTRINE" never changes. First off lets define the word (Doctrine). Simply put, the word Doctrine is nothing more than a fancy way to say (TEACHING).

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doc·trine /ˈdɒktrɪn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dok-trin] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.
2. something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine.
3. a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject: the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
[Origin: 1350–1400; ME < AF < L doctrīna teaching, equiv. to doct(o)r doctor + -īna -ine2]

—Synonyms 1. tenet, dogma, theory, precept, belief.
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Now the LDS try and say that us christians, change our doctrine. Let me clear up what I believe are some problems here that the LDS see.

Their are as the Bible teaches, people wanting their itching ears tickled, and want to be told lies and believe lies.

2Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


It is not my fault or the fault of any other Christian out their, if some person claims to have faith in Christ, yet believes things contrary to sound Doctrine. Just because a person claims to believe something different does not make them a Christian. I see no difference in this, verses the fact, RLDS or FLDS who claim to believe Joseph Smith as their Prophet and Claim Jesus as their Saviour and Claim to believe the BoM to be the word of god, yet they dont agree with the LDS on many points.

Now here we have to LDS who cannot agree on Doctrine changing or not.

Scott said:
You say you love the Bible. All 'Christian churches' say the same thing. If the Bible is the sole word of God, can you tell me why none of those 'Christian churches' teach the same doctrine? How do you explain it?

Doesn't the Bible teach One faith, one Lord and one baptism? Why so many of each then?


This reply from Scott can be found in the replies here, Witness tips 2

Now A more in depth answer has been given on my blog here, Denominations

Scott does not come out and say it, but it is implied, his Church's Doctrine does not change.

Now read,

elisabeth said...

All of our doctrine comes from Christ himself . Just because it changes does not mean it's wrong . Polygamy is wrong because it is against the law and we are encouraged to obey the laws of the land .
6:49 PM, March 11, 2007


Elisabeth's reply can be found under Scotts in the Tips part 2 section. She claims to be an LDS member and Claims their Doctrine does change, She simply does not see a problem with this.

If I were to listen to her share the Gospel and her faith with me, I would wonder, if she admits her Doctrine changes, how can I trust her Church to be the true Church? If you god is a changing god, can I really trust him? Yet if I were to hear Scott Share his gospel with me, yet he does not know his Church's teachings well enough to know they Change, then How could I trust him? Maybe he knows and will not share, but then thats being dishonest. But if he does not know his Church's teachings change then this is a problem, Because D and C 131:6 states It is IMPOSSIBLE for a man to be saved in ignorance.

Now lets review some of the 14 fundamentals of following the Prophet.


In conclusion, let us summarize this grand key, these "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet," for our salvation hangs on them.

First: The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.

Second: The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.

Fourth: The prophet will never lead the Church astray.

Sixth: The prophet does not have to say "Thus saith the Lord" to give us scripture.

Seventh: The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.

Ninth: The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.

Eleventh: The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true.if we want to know how well we stand with the Lord, then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain. How closely do our lives harmonize with the words of the Lord's anointed--the living prophet, the President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency?

You can view them all here, plus the Scriptures the "Prophet" uses to back up his claims about these. 14

I brought up the 14 fundamentals because, Ezra Taft Benson claims salvation hangs upon them, And claims they are true, So if they are true, how can the Church's doctrine Change?

Notice, If the Prophet speaks for the Lord in everything, and the Prophet does not need to say, thus saith the Lord to give us scripture, then how can we know for sure if certain teachings are of God or not. Adam God and Blood atonment no longer are believed to be true, yet the Prophet spoke about them, and claimed they were Gods words.

Then look at number 2,4,9 and 11. The 4 standerd works dont speak on those subjects, but it's ok, because the Prophet is more important than the standerd works. Or the Prophet cannot lead the Church astray, well if he teaches something and some believe it and others do not, is the Church going astray?

What about 9, the Prophet can receive revelation on any matter, Well it appers he received revelation on matters that the Church no longer believes.

What about 11, The Proud and learned have difficulty following the Prophet, It appears all the LDS who cannot follow the Prophet in these teachings that they clearly taught on, are Proud. In part two, I will post what I believe are changing Doctrines, I will Give verses as I always do to support these Ideas I will challange, And I will be waiting to be accused of not giving evidence of the views I hold even though I will provide evidence. Rick b

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