September Dawn

I would like to know what people thought of the Movie, if they saw it. You can checkout the website here September Dawn
I saw the Movie and will buy the Video when it comes out. it is very accurate and covers many Issues such as the Blood atonement and plural marriage. Please share your thoughts about the Movie, if you have seen it. Rick b

What must I do to be saved?

Paul and Silas were in Jail, The Jailer came to them and said:

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The response Paul gave was simple, Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. Nothing more to do.

Now that is something I can do and live with, But if your a Mormon, It simply is not that easy. Their are 3 different heavens you could go to, and Bruce Mc said anything less than Exaltation (3rd heaven) is damnation. So unless you enter into the 3rd heaven your damned, your saved in the sense that your not in hell or for LDS, outer darkness, but your still damned.

Here is what Mormonism teaches you must do in order to be saved.

According to Mormonism the Temple is of the utmost importance, But they seem to forget to tell you what you must do to be able to enter, I say that they seem to forget because, I have spoken with many Mormon Missionarys who tell me I can enter the temple, but never tell me about what I must first do. So they give you the false Idea that you simply can walk in to the temple.

Prophet Spencer Kimball Achieving a Celestial Marriage manual pg 30 makes it very clear we must do certain things to enter the temple to be saved. He gives a list of 6 things called (TEMPLE RECOMMEND INTERVIEW). it says When you are interviewed for a temple recommend you will be asked about,

1. Church attendance
2. Payment of tithes and offerings
3. Loyalty to Church leaders.
4. Moral cleanliness.
5. overall faithfulness and worthiness.
6. Obedience to the Word of Wisdom.

In Gospel Principles pg 125: WE MUST KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. To make our repentance complete we must keep the commandments of the Lord (see D and C 1:32). we are not fully repentant if we do not pay tithes or keep the sabbath day holy or obey the word of wisdom. we are not repentant if we don't sustain the authorities of the church and don't love the lord and our fellow man.

Add to that also pg 241 Eternal marriage is ESSENTIAL FOR EXALTATION. Our exaltation depends on marriage. Then over on pg 242 it says "and in order to obtain the highest, a man MUST ENTER INTO THIS ORDER OF THE PRIESTHOOD [MEANING THE NEW AND EVERLASTING COVENANT OF MARRIAGE];" "and if he does not, he cannot obtain it" (D and C 131:1-3)

Boy, I think I would rather follow Paul's simple teaching of, believe on the Lord Jesus, Not the LDS view of You must do all this first. I have pointed out to people before also, what if you convert to Mormonism, then die or get killed before doing all this. Plus in order to enter the temple, you must first spend one year simply being an LDS member, then after one year you can try to enter the temple.

Some of us will not have the year plus we need, so can you be sure your even saved? I know for a fact I am saved, what about you? I want to add also that D and C 131:6 teaches: It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance. Are you ignorant of these thing? Rick b

Lifting the Veil of Polygamy

Galatians 1:8-9

Galatians 1:8-9 says

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Now the point of this topic is this, I was speaking with an LDS member on another blog, and he kept saying stuff like this,

1. Evangelicals believe that pretty much only evangelicals will be saved from an eternal hell. (From what I can tell evangelical theology holds that certainly no non-Christians will be saved from eternal hell and many Christians (Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, liberal protestants, Mormons, etc) won’t be saved either.)
2. The vast majority of Arabs and Asians are not and never will be Christians of any variety in this life, let alone the evangelical version of Christianity. Rather they are Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.
3. Most Arabs and Asians will never even be given a real opportunity to even hear about any kind of Christianity in any remotely persuasive way that might lead to their conversion. In many countries Christianity is not even tolerated.
4. Jesus decides where and when everyone is born.
5. Therefore, in evangelical theology Jesus hates Asians and Jews and Arabs so much that he assigned 99% of them to be born in countries/families/cultures that make it virtually impossible to become evangelical Christians in this life.
6. That means nearly all Arabs and Asian are virtually fated from before their birth to wind up being resurrected and tortured forever. Jesus made this happen according to evangelical theology. They did not choose to be born into Iran or India or Indonesia or China or Thailand or wherever.

That was his exact words from the blog. He keeps saying how the evangelical God is hateful and evil, Just for the record I don't label myself evangelical, I am a guy who reads the Bible and follows Jesus. Anyway, here was my reply to Him,

come on, read your Bible, when it was simply Adam and Eve, no other Human, their were no false religions. These false religions were started by men and women who hate the gospel, they do not like the free gift of grace alone so they make their own religion, how is that Gods fault.

Then I bet you will say as an LDS member you believe and follow the same Gospel Paul preaches correct?

Well your Church teaches it is the only true church upon the face of the earth, all others MIGHT have some truth, but are still incorrect.

So Do you admit, Islam, JW’s, Buddhist, Hindu Ect preach or teach the Mormon gospel? I bet you will say they have a different Gospel. If they do and you believe the gospel Paul preached, then we come back to Gal 1:8-9, these religions that were started by men are preaching a different Gospel than what you believe or Paul taught, So where do these religions go after death for teaching a gospel other than what Paul taught according to Gal 1:8-9?

To this I received no reply, and I don't think I ever will, and the reason I don't think I will is because, if as an LDS member you admit these groups are not teaching what you teach, then they as Paul said have a false Gospel and will end up in hell. Rick b

That's just your interpretation.

When ever I or any other believer quotes Scripture from the Bible to an LDS member, if they do not agree with it or like it, they simply say, well that's your interpretation. So lets look at what Brigham Young said about that.

In the book Discourses of BY pg 194 1925 edition also found in JOD vol 1 pg 237 a person ask's BY a question.

I ask you, brother B, how I must believe the Bible, and how shall you and every other follower of the Lord Jesus Christ believe it? BY reply's with. "Brother Mormon, how do you believe it?" I believe it just as it is. I do not believe in putting any man's interpretation upon it, whatever, unless it should be directed by the Lord himself in some way. I do not believe we need interpreters and expounders of the Scriptures, to wrest them from there literal, plain, simple meaning.

Brigham Young feels we should be able to read it and take the Bible at face value. One thing people need to remember also, is that in the Bible we do not take every single verse literally.

To some, they might find me saying that hard to believe, but we read in the Bible, some things taught and said were figures of speech or to get a point across. Here are a few examples of that,

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Ok, Jesus said He was the bread of life and He said he was the door, Does He really mean He was a loaf of bread that we put a little butter on and Eat? Or He meant He was a solid Oak door with hinges and a door handle that we open and pass through? So if we read a verse add a little extra for context and take it at face value it really is not that hard to see what it means. Here is one we can break Down.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Now if we break it down, it really is pretty simply, Lets start with (For God). Who? God. How hard is that. (So loved the world) Again, Who? God. what did He do? He loved the world. Who or what is the world. This big rock we live on or the people? We know the World is speaking about the people.

Lets go on, (that he gave his only begotten Son) Who is the (He)? It is God, that was already told to us, what did God do? He gave His Son. (that whosoever believeth in him). Do what? Believe in God's Son. (should not perish, but have everlasting life). So if we believe in God's son we will not perish, but have everlasting life. Seems simple to me about what the scripture says.


Now, I Will only post Scripture for people to read I wont break it down like that, but here is another one. Many LDS claim WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN, This is not what Scripture teach's. The Bible says

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Seems pretty clear in that verse, not everyone is a child of God.

How about the LDS belief of (Original Sin). The LDS deny Original Sin, saying we were not born in sin, But this is what the Bible says,

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Seems pretty clear here, One Man (Adam) Sinned or committed a transgression and as a result death entered the world. If we go back into the Genesis Account we will find that their was no death prior to Adam and Eve sinning. So if LDS don't agree with this passage teaching Original sin, How do you explain death entering the world?

Rick b