Journal of Discourses.

Many LDS claim the Journal of Discourses cannot be trusted, They also claim the JoD are not doctrine. I am not saying that they are, I am saying that, they did feel the JoD contain Doctrine though. So I am only scanning copies from 19 different JoD prefaces. Read over all 19, because in these prefaces it states things such as, it is doctrine, good solid teachings, and other such things being said. The goal of this topic is mostly for people to see for themselves what was said by the LDS prophets and teachers of old. I plan to do topics from things found in the JoD, so this is why I am posting all of this. I want people to see for themselves what LDS of old thought about these sermons and teachings.

It is very amazing how times have changed. Now a days, LDS claim the JoD cannot be trusted. Yet they they still do use it, some Examples are, The King Follet Discourse, it is said to be JS greatest teaching ever. We also have many prophets of today, quoting from the JoD. But when people like me quote from it, then we are told, it cannot be trusted or used. The JoD is made up of 1,438 speeches by 55 leaders in the Church.

In these 26 volumes of the JoD, Presidents of the Church, members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, members of the seventy, were all part of the people who gave speeches. Brigham young Authorized his sermons to be printed. Please Click onto each photo in order to enlarge it and be able to read it better.

Photo gallery of friends and family

Hello Everyone,
I am now posting photo's of friends and family. This is to help people get to know me better and see what I am like. My wife will not be on here in case anyone ask's why they dont see her picture. Sadly she see's to many nasty replys from various people, including Private emails I recive. She does not want to be trashed by these sad few people. She wanted the kids to be left off but I said no. I would tell anyone though in honesty, If you want to trash talk me, feel free, If you want to trash talk my family, please come visit me in person to do that. Sadly I suspect people are willing to do it in darkness of the night, by way of hiding in the net, but wont say it in person face to face.





This is a picture of me in my house and yard. I did have a mohawk with hair down my back, but it was getting to hot, So after 3 plus years I shaved my head.




This is a picture of my 5 year old daughter, Kaylyn.



This is a picture of my 8 year old son, Rick the 2nd




This is a picture of my 6 year old, Nathaniel



This is my Brother, John, He also will be living with me soon.



This is a picture of two of my friends, Adam and Ed, Adam moved to South dakota, and Ed is an elder in the Church.

















These are pictures of my House and My book collection, inside my rather small living room.

Was Joseph Smith a martyr? Part 2

I did an article titled, Was Joseph Smith a maryter? This recived a lot of comments. Click here to read it, Joseph the Maryter?

There ended up being 32 comments with mine included. It was getting to long for people to follow, so I started a part two in order to add more evidence and answer questions. Here is another scanned copy from History of the Church Volume 6.




Read all the highlighted in pink for full context. But notice in the writing, it says, Joseph Smith was camly preparded to meet force with force and that he (Joseph Smith) made a handsome fight in the Jail. Is this something A Maryter would do? Well I would dare say NO!

Lets read what D and C says about JS. D and C 135:4 says, 4 When Joseph went to Carthage to deliver himself up to the pretended requirements of the law, two or three days previous to his assassination, he said: “I am going like a lamb to the slaughter; but I am calm as a summer’s morning; I have a conscience void of offense towards God, and towards all men.

Now lets see how Joseph Smith said the Same thing Jesus Said. We read in Isaiah 53:7 Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

This prophecy was fufilled in Acts 8:32 Jesus did not fight back. What about this, this also is said about Jesus before he was Crucifed. 1Peter 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously:

This was not how Joseph the maryter handled the end of his life. He sadly does not fit the descrpriton Given in Isaiah. Now here is Something I suspect some LDS will not like, I am man enough to admit if I made a mistake, Wer62 knows, because I did it with him when we were E-mailing for the better part of 6 months. In the reply section, I said Joseph Smith Laid down his life, He never said that, the LDS were asking for where he said that. I say sorry, I did mean to say, Joseph Smith claimed to go as a lamb to the slaughter, So for that reason I dont believe he is a maryter, the facts just dont line up.

Now, I want to ask these few questions. The Mormons that have been replying and keeping on this topic, why is it you can defend this topic tooth and nail, but you cannot do that with more serious questions that will effect your eternal life. What I mean is this, I posted topics on the Trinity, ten things not found in the BoM or the Bible, but still am told the BoM has 1'000's of things that greatly clarify the Bible, The mormon priesthood Authority issue. I dont see these things being adressed like the issue of Joseph being a maryter.

I say this because, Lets say Joseph was a real Maryter and I am wrong, this will not effect my salvation. If I am correct and he was not a maryter, it wont effect your salvation. But these other issues will. Why? Because they are both different Gospels and things added to the Word Of God. Both of those are spoken of in the Bible, clearly stating you will go to hell for having a false Gospel and adding to or taking away from the Word of God.

One thing I want to address is a Mini Booklet posted in the reply Section of the Maryter topic. There was a lot of info posted and I only want to address a small part of it. The LDS member said

However, simply redefining the term is not sufficient to create a successful argument. Thus, the second prong of the attack relies on a person’s ignorance of trivial facts of Mormon history. Many members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (and this is especially true of new members or less-active members) are not aware of all the excruciatingly minute details of the history of the Church. It has become a common tactic among some anti-Mormon aficionados of Mormon history to use this historical ignorance as a weapon. These writers often claim to “expose” these minor events of Church history in a sensationalistic attempt to shock members of the Church with “hidden” revelations or “secret” accounts about various episodes in Church history. They will often claim that the Church has kept this knowledge under wraps for fear that if it was generally known it would cause many members of the Church to immediately renounce their faith and result in the ruination of the Church. They insinuate that the Church holds these “secrets” in some impenetrable vault with access restricted to the select few. What anti-Mormons never point out is that they found these “secrets” in books that are widely published by the LDS Church for public consumption. That is hardly the act of someone who wants to maintain a secret.

The LDS member who posted this openly admits it was taken from another who wrote it, But he seems to apply I am acting in this manner. If he cares to reply, I would ask him this, Do you feel I am acting in this manner, If so show me where I am acting like this?. I never once said the Church is hiding Stuff, I figure if I as a Non-LDS member can get these books to read then surly LDS can also. And I never said it was "Seceret" Stuff that needed to be expoused. I just choose this topic to adress.

I want to add one more thought here, What about people like the muslims, They fly planes into buildings, They strap bombs to themselves and kill people, Do you as an LDS member feel they are Maryters? I am in no way trying to say Joseph Smith was like them. My point is this, If you dont feel they are martyers, what does it really matter? I dont Feel JS was/is a maryter, Does this really mean much in the grand Scheme of Life? If Muslims feel they are maryters for flying planes into buildings but you dont, how is that any different than me and the issue of JS? Rick b

Rick b

Photo Gallery of Church service

This is not really a topic, nor will I be talking about Mormonism. Lots of people are asking to know more about me, So I am posting a photo gallery of friends, family, work, Etc. there will be two or three due to the large amount of photos.

These are pictures of Sunday Service. Our Sunday Service is held in St Paul in a rec center. People seem to be botherd by this, but the Church is the Body of local believers, the building is only where we meet. It also help people in the local area to see us and see we are real, as we go out and interact with them.






These pictures are of our Thursday night service. We hold our service in the park of St Paul MN. We have a really big group of muslims that show up. We have a giant bar-b-que and we feed everyone for free that show up. When people ask us why we do it, we tell them it is because Jesus loves us and died for us. We never take money for food, and people in the Church provide all food free of charge. We start at 4:30 till 7:00 pm then service starts. Service goes from 7:00pm till 9:00pm in the park.




There is a picture of the big grill we use, and we respect the muslims diet of no pork. So we provide lots of all beef products for the muslim people. If and when we do cook pork for those who like pork, we cook it only on one 3rd of the grill and have a seperate pan for the pork.







The Girl in the white and red dress, she belongs to the other P.E.T.A. Group. People Eating Tasty Animals The other P.E.T.A. Group.




The guy in the white Shirt, lives with me and the wife and kids. He is a brother in the Church and needed a place to live, so we put him up with us.









We the Church provide colmen folding chairs for people to use, and in the park is a playground and baseball field.




The man in the green shirt is the pastor of the Church, I have a link for our Church in the links section.

Was Joseph Smith a martyr?

My next topic of Choice is, Was Joseph Smith a martyr?
I dont believe for one minute he is or was a martyr. I say this because when Joseph Smith was being held in the Carthridge Jail, And the mob came to kill him, Joseph Smith shot 3 people, 2 of which died. Then Joseph Smith tried jumping out the window to escape. Would a REAL MARTYR do this. Look at Jesus when he was in the Garden.

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?
John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am [he]. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground.
John 18:7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
John 18:8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am [he]: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way.

Notice Jesus showed His power, They all fell backwards. Yet despite His power He never ran away or abused his power.

We read in D and C section 136

32 Let him that is ignorant learn wisdom by humbling himself and calling upon the Lord his God, that his eyes may be opened that he may see, and his ears opened that he may hear;

33 For my Spirit is sent forth into the world to enlighten the humble and contrite, and to the condemnation of the ungodly.

34 Thy brethren have rejected you and your testimony, even the nation that has driven you out;

35 And now cometh the day of their calamity, even the days of sorrow, like a woman that is taken in travail; and their sorrow shall be great unless they speedily repent, yea, very speedily.

36 For they killed the prophets, and them that were sent unto them; and they have shed innocent blood, which crieth from the ground against them.

37 Therefore, marvel not at these things, for ye are not yet pure; ye can not yet bear my glory; but ye shall behold it if ye are faithful in keeping all my words that I have given you, from the days of Adam to Abraham, from Abraham to Moses, from Moses to Jesus and his apostles, and from Jesus and his apostles to Joseph Smith, whom I did call upon by mine angels, my ministering servants, and by mine own voice out of the heavens, to bring forth my work;

38 Which foundation he did lay, and was faithful; and I took him to myself.

39 Many have marveled because of his death; but it was needful that he should seal his testimony with his blood, that he might be honored and the wicked might be condemned.

40 Have I not delivered you from your enemies, only in that I have left a witness of my name?

41 Now, therefore, hearken, O ye people of my church; and ye elders listen together; you have received my kingdom.

42 Be diligent in keeping all my commandments, lest judgments come upon you, and your faith fail you, and your enemies triumph over you. So no more at present. Amen and Amen.

Notice verse 39, that is speaking about Joseph Smith.

Now I am posting the entire chapter of D and C section 135 for all to read. I am emboldening sections for people to see.

THE DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

SECTION 135

Martyrdom of Joseph Smith the Prophet and his brother, Hyrum Smith the Patriarch, at Carthage, Illinois, June 27, 1844. HC 6: 629—631. This document was written by Elder John Taylor of the Council of the Twelve, who was a witness to the events.

1—2, Joseph and Hyrum martyred in Carthage Jail; 3, Preeminent position of the Prophet acclaimed; 4—7, Their innocent blood testifies of the truth and divinity of the work.

1 To seal the testimony of this book and the Book of Mormon, we announce the martyrdom of Joseph Smith the Prophet, and Hyrum Smith the Patriarch. They were shot in Carthage jail, on the 27th of June, 1844, about five o’clock p.m., by an armed mob—painted black—of from 150 to 200 persons. Hyrum was shot first and fell calmly, exclaiming: I am a dead man! Joseph leaped from the window, and was shot dead in the attempt, exclaiming: O Lord my God! They were both shot after they were dead, in a brutal manner, and both received four balls.

2 John Taylor and Willard Richards, two of the Twelve, were the only persons in the room at the time; the former was wounded in a savage manner with four balls, but has since recovered; the latter, through the providence of God, escaped, without even a hole in his robe.

3 Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it. In the short space of twenty years, he has brought forth the Book of Mormon, which he translated by the gift and power of God, and has been the means of publishing it on two continents; has sent the fulness of the everlasting gospel, which it contained, to the four quarters of the earth; has brought forth the revelations and commandments which compose this book of Doctrine and Covenants, and many other wise documents and instructions for the benefit of the children of men; gathered many thousands of the Latter-day Saints, founded a great city, and left a fame and name that cannot be slain. He lived great, and he died great in the eyes of God and his people; and like most of the Lord’s anointed in ancient times, has sealed his mission and his works with his own blood; and so has his brother Hyrum. In life they were not divided, and in death they were not separated!

4 When Joseph went to Carthage to deliver himself up to the pretended requirements of the law, two or three days previous to his assassination, he said: “I am going like a lamb to the slaughter; but I am calm as a summer’s morning; I have a conscience void of offense towards God, and towards all men. I SHALL DIE INNOCENT, AND IT SHALL YET BE SAID OF ME—HE WAS MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD.”—The same morning, after Hyrum had made ready to go—shall it be said to the slaughter? yes, for so it was—he read the following paragraph, near the close of the twelfth chapter of Ether, in the Book of Mormon, and turned down the leaf upon it:

5 And it came to pass that I prayed unto the Lord that he would give unto the Gentiles grace, that they might have charity. And it came to pass that the Lord said unto me: If they have not charity it mattereth not unto thee, thou hast been faithful; wherefore thy garments shall be made clean. And because thou hast seen thy weakness, thou shalt be made strong, even unto the sitting down in the place which I have prepared in the mansions of my Father. And now I . . . bid farewell unto the Gentiles; yea, and also unto my brethren whom I love, until we shall meet before the judgment-seat of Christ, where all men shall know that my garments are not spotted with your blood. The testators are now dead, and their testament is in force.

6 Hyrum Smith was forty-four years old in February, 1844, and Joseph Smith was thirty-eight in December, 1843; and henceforward their names will be classed among the martyrs of religion; and the reader in every nation will be reminded that the Book of Mormon, and this book of Doctrine and Covenants of the church, cost the best blood of the nineteenth century to bring them forth for the salvation of a ruined world; and that if the fire can scathe a green tree for the glory of God, how easy it will burn up the dry trees to purify the vineyard of corruption. They lived for glory; they died for glory; and glory is their eternal reward. From age to age shall their names go down to posterity as gems for the sanctified.

7 They were innocent of any crime, as they had often been proved before, and were only confined in jail by the conspiracy of traitors and wicked men; and their innocent blood on the floor of Carthage jail is a broad seal affixed to “Mormonism” that cannot be rejected by any court on earth, and their innocent blood on the escutcheon of the State of Illinois, with the broken faith of the State as pledged by the governor, is a witness to the truth of the everlasting gospel that all the world cannot impeach; and their innocent blood on the banner of liberty, and on the magna charta of the United States, is an ambassador for the religion of Jesus Christ, that will touch the hearts of honest men among all nations; and their innocent blood, with the innocent blood of all the martyrs under the altar that John saw, will cry unto the Lord of Hosts till he avenges that blood on the earth. Amen.

Notice in the verses I highlighted, it says Joseph Smith is a martyr who Laid down his life, and sealed the BoM with his blood. This does not line up with what we read in the book History of the Church. I am posting scanned copies for all to read the full context with extra added for the sole purpose of anyone trying to say, I cut things short to change the context.

Below is scanned copies from the book History of the Church volume 7. I highlighted parts of the book I wanted people to notice, but much more is their to read for full context.

My LDS library

Hello Everyone,
Well I thought I would share with people, every mormon book and video I happen to own. This way people can see how serious I am and know that I do my own research.

For Videos, I own, New Testament Media presentations 7,9,11-21 This video is a teaching video from the Church Educational System it is put out by the LDS church for teaching their classes. it covers these topics. (Justice and mercy, Matthew 21) (To this end was I born Matthew 26-28) (Long promised day Acts 10) (Paul a chosen vessel Acts 21-28) (The doctrine of Grace, Romans) (Faith and Works, Romans) (The body is a temple 1 Cor 3-6) (Godly sorrow leads to repentance 2 Cor 7) (The law of harvest Gal 6) (The whole armour of God Ephesians 6:10-18) The second coming 2 Thess 1; 2:1-3) ( The just shall live by faith, Hebrews 11) ( Helps for understanding the book of revelation, Revelation)

Those are all the topics covered in the Video. They are topics taken from the Bible, but viewed from an LDS point of view. I also own, Finding faith in Christ and The Restoration both videos are from the LDS Church. Those are the only vidoes from the LDS church I own. I have seen all the Movies offered by the Church, when you do the temple tour in SLC Utah. And I have rented a few on video put out by the Church. Now on to the books I own.

I own the 1920 Edtion Triple combo, The king James version of the Bible from the LDS Church with the LDS dictionary in back. Pathways to Perfection (Discoures of Thomas S. Monson) Missionary Pal (Reference Guide for Missionarys and Teachers). The Aritcles of Faith 1977 edtion (By Talmage) Also the 1982 missionary edtion of A of F.

A Marvelous Work and A wonder 1979 edtion by Le Grand Richards. Gospel Doctrine 1977 edtion by J.F.S. Jesus the Christ 1976 edtion by Talmage. A voice of warning by Parlley P. Pratt 1893 13th edtion. The pocket reference book for missionarys, parents and instructors, by Adrian Parker call Jr.
Essentials in Church History, 1922 by J.F.S

Bible ready references, 1917 by J.F.S. Gospel Doctrine, Sermons and Writings, by J.F.S.4th edtion 1928, and in edtion to that, A guide for the study of GOSPEL DOCTRINE, By J.F.S part 2 1921.

Discourses of Brigham Young 1925 and the entire 27 volume set of the Journal of discourses. my set is 27 volumes not 26, because the 27th one is an entire index for all the 26 volumes.

The 1993-94 and 2003 LDS Church Almanac's. Achieving a Celestial Marriage, student manuel 1992 edtion. Teachings of presidents of the Church, BRIGHAM YOUNG 1997 edtion and Jospeh F. Smith1998 edtion. An Approach to the Book of Mormon by Hugh Nibley 1957 edtion. Miracle of forgivness by Spencer Kimball 1969. Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie 1958 2nd printing and the 1966 19th printing.

The Gospel through the Ages,1945 edtion by Milton R. Hunter. The Gospel Message by William E. Berrett 1945 edtion. Answers to Gospel Questions vol 2 by J.F.S 1958 2Nd printing. Answering Challenging Mormon Question by Michael W. Hickenbotham 3rd printing 1999 ( Replies to 130 Queries by friends and critics of the LDS church

What do Mormons believe? by Rex E. Lee 1992. Take heed that ye BE NOT DECIVED by Richard I. Winwood1996. All 4 volumes of the Encyclopedia of Mormonism 1992. The life and teachings of Jesus and His Apostles (religion 211-212 course manual) 2nd edtion 1979. Book of Mormon Student manuel 121-121. New Testament Teacher outline sections 19-36, reviews 1-4 from the LDS Church.

Joseph Smith begins his work vol 1 (Book of Mormon 1830 first edtion, reproduced from uncut sheets) by wilford c. wood. 1963 Joseph Smith begins his work vol 2 The book of commandments. the Doctrine and Covenants, The Lectures on Faith, The 14 Articles of Faith, by Wilford C. Wood 1958.

Pearl of Great Price 1888 edtion. Doctrine and Covenants with the oringal lectures of faith included 1883 edtion. The Mormon Corporate Empire by John Hinerman and Anson Shupe1985 edtion. Michael/Adam by Ogden Kraut 5th printing 1993. No man knows my History (the life of Joseph smith) by Fawn M. Brodie 1954. Celestial Symbols by Allen H. Barber 1999. The Seer by Orsan Pratt. Book of LDS Hymns 1985. Mormon Cooking (Authentic recipes)1985. Understanding "Talmage" (a Contextual Dictionary to supplement the study of Jesus the Christ and A of F by Elder James E.Talmage).

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, by J.F.S.1989 paperback edtion. Early Mormonism and the magic world view, by D. Michael Quinn 1998 edtion. Gospel Principles 1997. All 3 volumes of Doctrines of Salvation by J.F.S. 1954 edtion. Joseph Smith's New Translation Of the Bible 1970 edtion. The Women of Mormondom 4th edtion 1975. Hard bound Edtion of History of the Church 7 volumes 1946 edtion, and the 7 volumes of History of the Church paperback 1978 Edtion. Times and seasons all 6 volumes. All 3 Volumes covering the Entire New Testament, The Doctrinal New Testament Commentary By Bruce R. McConkie1970

ok, Guys, Now all the LDS who ever want claim all I do is read anti mormon books or steal things from Anti sites, these books should prove I do all my own research. I have paid over 200 dollars for a single book. When I was at the fair boards, I had a few LDS challange me on these books. They asked me for a select passage, Example, they would say, Go to this book, give me a quote from pg 212 for example. I did this 3-4 times, then after offering proof, they left me alone.

As wer62 (Ed) Stated, I should have went straight to the LDS church, not picked up an Anti-mormon Book. So I did that after I read the first book. I do, do all my own research. Hope this helps you guys to better understand me and my point of view. Rick b

Acts 17:11 part 2

Hello everyone. This is part two of "Acts 17:11." For all who did not read part one, this is a brief overview. Wer62(Ed) replied with a mini-book to my topic "Am I Anti-Mormon?". I replied to part of it in "Acts 17:11-Part 1." In part two, I am only going to cover two parts of his reply. If anyone has a question on the rest that I did not reply to, feel free to write me with any questions.

My first part is to cover the issues of the prophets getting things wrong and the prophet Jonah. Ed said,

Take Jonah for example. He stated the city would be destroyed and it wasn’t. In fact, he got mad at God because the city didn’t get destroyed. [Jonah Chapter 4] This is a clear example of a prophet having “knowledge” from God and misinterpreting it. Is it possible for Brigham Young to have an opinion that is wrong to actual doctrinal and scriptural reference? Yes. If he is quoted in the JOD as stating something it is NOT scripture nor is it stated that it is?

Jonah had knowledge and misinterpreted it. God gave Jonah a message, and Jonah did not want to tell the people because he knew God would spare the people, and Jonah wanted them destroyed. Let's look at some of what the book of Jonah teaches.

Jonah 1:1 Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,

Jonah 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.

Jonah 3:1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

Jonah 3:3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

Looks to me as if Jonah said just what the Lord told Him.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Jonah 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Jonah 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered [him] with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

Jonah 3:7 And he caused [it] to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

Jonah 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that [is] in their hands.

Jonah 3:9 Who can tell [if] God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.

Again, from what I read it seems to me that Jonah preached what he was told to, but it is God who showed both grace and mercy. Why is it that the LDS seem to think God also was wrong for showing grace and mercy? I say that because, Ed, you feel Jonah got the message wrong, but in fact, Jonah was mad because he knew God would show grace and mercy.

Jonah 4:1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

Jonah 4:2 And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, [was] not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou [art] a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.


Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?


Notice that Jonah admits that He knew God was going to spare the people, that is why he was mad. Romans also tells us, it is God's kindness that leads us to repentance. If God just killed them all, how would that be kind and loving? Now, let's read the rest of the story.

Jonah 4:3 Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for [it is] better for me to die than to live.

Jonah 4:4 Then said the LORD, Doest thou well to be angry?

Jonah 4:5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.

Jonah 4:6 And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made [it] to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.

Jonah 4:7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.

Jonah 4:8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, [It is] better for me to die than to live.

Jonah 4:9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, [even] unto death.

Jonah 4:10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:

Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and [also] much cattle?

We read that Jonah was mad over a plant, but he could care less about the thousands of possible children in Nineveh. How sad that you either don't know your word, or you did not read everything.

Here is something pastor Chuch Smith said on the issue of Jonah.

I. "SO THE MEN OF NINEVEH BELIEVED GOD." THIS CERTAINLY MUST BE A MIRACLE OF GRACE.
A. Look at the minister.
1. He hated his calling.
a. The whole first part of the story deals with how he sought to escape from the call of God.
b. He was determined not to go.
c. To get as far away from the call of God as possible.
d. He asked to be thrown into the sea. He felt that it was better to drown than to go to Nineveh.
e. He sat and sulked in the belly of the whale enduring unthinkable misery for three days and nights before he caved in and called on God.
2. He hated the people he was called to minister to.
a. He wanted God to destroy them.
b. Nineveh was the capital of Assyria and the Assyrians were known for their cruelty.
c. There are pictures of the Assyrians leading their captives with hooks through their noses, and their bodies mutilated.
d. The Assyrians were a rising power in the ancient world and and were a threat to the nation of Israel, and finally did conquer Israel and led them away into captivity.
e. As far as Jonah was concerned, nothing would suit him better than to see Nineveh destroyed.
f. The very reason he tried to escape the call of God was the fear that his ministry might be successful. He was afraid that they would repent and God would not destroy them.
B. Look at his message.
1. It was monotonous, "Forty days and comes destruction."
2. No fancy illustrations to draw the people's attention.
3. No suggestion of hope.
4. No call to repentance.
5. No promise of God's mercy.
6. Just "Forty days and comes destruction."
II. THE PEOPLE BELIEVED GOD AND REPENTED FROM THE KING ON DOWN.
A. What a miracle of God's sovereign grace.
B. Next time you are prone to think that your success has come from your charming, winsome ways, think again.
C. Next time people respond to the invitation you give them to accept Christ and it resulted from your brilliant rhetoric, think again.
D. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not suggesting that you be boorish and rude, just don't think more highly of yourself than you ought.
E. What a classic illustration of the truth that Jonah discovered while in the belly of the whale, "Salvation is of the Lord."
1. This is comparable to the salvation of the dying thief hanging next to Jesus on the cross.
a. Two men equally close to death.
b. Two men equally close to salvation.
c. One is saved, one is lost.
d. How did he know that Jesus was a king?
e. How did he know that He was coming into His kingdom?
f. Even the disciples at this point did not understand this.
2. This is as remarkable as the conversion of Saul of Tarsus.
F. What a classic illustration of the statement of God to Isaiah, "My ways are not your ways saith the Lord, My ways are beyond your finding out."
1. If we were going to plan and strategize on how to reach Nineveh, imagine all the planning and devising.
2. We must get a large stadium, and spend thousands of dollars in advertising.
3. We must gather a great team of highly qualified men, and send them ahead to train follow up leadership.
4. A city of this size would take a budget of over a million dollars before we could even consider a campaign there.
5. If someone should suggest that we send just one man to walk the streets yelling, "You are going to be destroyed in 40 days," we would be thought crazy by the planning committee.
G. What was the basis of their repentance? "Who can tell?"
1. No real promise.

2. No absolute hope.
3. Who knows?
III. NO WONDER JESUS SAID IN MAT 12:41, THE MEN OF NINEVEH SHALL RISE IN JUDGMENT WITH THIS GENERATION, AND SHALL CONDEMN IT: BECAUSE THEY REPENTED AT THE PREACHING OF JONAH; AND, BEHOLD, A GREATER THAN JONAH [IS] HERE.
A. The men of Nineveh heard only one message and that of judgment.
B. They had only one bitter messenger who hated them.
1. Yet they repented in sackcloth and ashes.
C. What an interesting character Jonah is, he did not want to follow the call of God to minister because he was afraid that he would be successful.

Now the other part of what Wer62 (Ed) said.

For the LDS, what is official doctrine? Can it be said to be LDS doctrine if any LDS person believes it? If some LDS missionary believes that the Earth is flat, then, is that doctrine? Of course not! Official doctrine is doctrine that is contained within the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price. All other sources are not official doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Almost every religious group has procedures for distinguishing what they consider to be doctrine and so it is with the LDS Church. Those procedures are remarkably close to many of the protestant counterparts. The procedure for doctrine is clearly outlined in the Fifteenth Semiannual General Conference of the LDS church on Oct 10, 1880. George Q. Cannon addressed the conference.

I hold in my hand the book of Doctrine and Covenants, and also the book, The Pearl of Great Price, which contains revelations of God. In Kirtland, the Doctrine and Covenants in its original form, as first printed , was submitted to the officers of the Church and the members of the Church to vote upon. As there have been additions made to it by publishing of revelations which were not contained in the original printing, it has been deemed to submit these books with their contents to the conference, to see whether the conference will vote to accept the books and their content as from God, and binding upon us as a people and as a Church.

Subsequent changes of content in the standard works of the Church have been presented similarly to the membership in General Conference to receive a sustaining vote. Examples can be found in LDS history that clearly shows how this works. Wilford Woodruff, as President of the Church committed the Latter Day Saints to discontinue the practice of plural marriage; his official declaration was submitted to the Sixtieth Semiannual General Conference on 6 October 1890, which by unanimous vote accepted it “as authoritative and binding.” (See Official Declaration 1) It was the “vote” that made it official doctrine even if that vote is not unanimous or even a majority. Another example would be Spencer W. Kimball when he declared that henceforth all worthy male members should receive the priesthood on September 30th 1978. – (See Official Declaration 2)

While it may be true that members of the LDS Church including Presidents and Quorum of the Twelve have written books concerning a vast number of subjects. They have expressed their own opinions concerning doctrine. Does the opinion of a prophet make it prophecy or doctrine? I would have to say no. Again, Doctrine is only doctrine insomuch as it is contained in the appropriate scripture and sustained by the body of the Church.

Critics will often times insist that the Latter Day Saints must defend as doctrine everything that Brigham Young or Joseph Smith or any other General Authority ever said. The concept of doctrine cannot simply be stretched this far. This is no different for example the Catholics believe in Papal Infallibility when the Pope is acting in circumstances defined by the Catholic Church. Joseph Smith himself stated “A prophet is only a prophet when acting as such”. The critics often times insist that a prophet speaks prophetically at all times.

Child of God, do you get it yet? Are Mormons Christians has nothing to do with doctrinal differences or what someone said that is quoted in the JOD. Your quotes are so far of base that the only way it can be described is "Misrepresentation" as I have outlined above.

In short, the question I see at hand is this: How can we tell when a Mormons speaks doctrine/scripture or his mere opinion? What it boils down to is this: there are many things people like BY taught or said that I feel are Doctrine and LDS don't. I really believe it comes down to this, if LDS agree with what was said, then it is doctrine, otherwise it is mere opinion. Look at the Adam-God Doctrine for example. BY is very clear on that teaching, he states it is DOCTRINE, and that the prophets of old taught this. Then he goes on to say that if you take that teaching lightly, YOU WILL BE DAMNED. How can any honest LDS claim it was his mere opinion when he said it was doctrine?

Then LDS claim the King Follet Discourse is JS greatest sermon ever given, and much of what was taught is as scripture today. Then if you read in the 4 standerd works, God clearly contradicts Himself through all of them. That clearly denies

1Cor. 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Then, if you read FOURTEEN FUNDAMENTALS IN FOLLOWING THE PROPHET,
Ezra Taft Benson both teaches and backs up his teaching with scripture from both the 4 standerd works and the JoD. I find it funny that some LDS claim the JoD is not scripture, but Ezra Taft Benson uses it to support his view. Oh, the irony! Anyway, let's see what he said.

In conclusion, let us summarize this grand key, these "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet," for our salvation hangs on them.

First: The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.

Second: The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.

Fourth: The prophet will never lead the Church astray.

Sixth: The prophet does not have to say "Thus saith the Lord" to give us scripture.

Seventh: The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.

Notice that Ezra Taft Benson most clearly states: Our salvation hangs on this stuff So is this his mere opinion? If so, we have a serious problem. Why? He said our salvation hangs upon this, and that does not sound like mere opinion to me. Also, he clearly supports his views from the 4 standerd works. So if a prophet knows less than the average LDS member, how can I trust the church? He said that the Prophet speaks for the Lord in everything. BY was clear about the Adam God Doctrine being just that, doctrine. Also, if the Prophet cannot lead the Church astray, then I should be able to both trust Ezra and BY. Add to that, if the Prophet does not need to say, "Thus saith the Lord," then how can we tell if it is of God or mere opinion? Again, I feel that if LDS agree with it, it is scripture, otherwise it is not.

Now Wer62 (Ed) said,

Wilford Woodruff, as President of the Church committed the Latter Day Saints to discontinue the practice of plural marriage; his official declaration was submitted to the Sixtieth Semiannual General Conference on 6 October 1890, which by unanimous vote accepted it “as authoritative and binding.” (See Official Declaration 1) It was the “vote” that made it official doctrine even if that vote is not unanimous or even a majority.

Since when can mere mortal humans vote upon what God said to decide if it is scripture, after God stated it was scripture? Read D and C 132, God is clear, this was/is an everlasting covenant. God stated such, but due to pressure from the states and goverment, all of a sudden, LDS recive a "NEW" revelation and things change. Please look up my topic of the 14 fundamentals to read all of the scripture Ezra Taft Benson uses to support his views. Rick b

Church Denominations

I want to cover the issue of Church Denominations. The LDS keep commenting on the fact their are many Denominations within the Christian Church. I stated that Church Denominations Are not of God, but of man. They are a result of us humans being selfish sinners. The Bible teaches on various things, Yet we as sinful man either don't like what the Bible says, or we cannot agree, so we form Denominations. Some are not due to sin, but simply tradition. Some people like to dress up or wear robes, or sing old hymns not more contemporary music of the day. Some things that are differences that cause a Denomination, are things like, Women pastors. If LDS are familiar with the term, rapture of the Church, their are 3 views to that, Pre, post or mid. People cannot agree to which one is correct. I believe the bible is clear as to the Correct view, it's just people choose to believe what they want to believe. Their is also the issue of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, some people only believe they were for years ago, after Christ rose from the Dead. Others believe they are even for today, Again I believe the Bible is clear on this, but it is more a matter of people want to believe what they want to believe.

Someone wrote me a private Email telling me their are Denominations taught in the Bible, After I posted their were not. They said their are/were 3 different ones in Jesus's day, they are, the Sadducees, Pharisees and Essences. I guess I better clarify, The Denominations are Not Of God. Their might be some found in the Bible as it were, but they are not of God. So I guess if you want to say, they are found in the Bible, show me chapter and verse where they were started by God. Here is something the Bible clearly teaches.

1Cr 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Now, If God is not the author of confusion, why would he make many different denominations that only cause confusion? Lets look also at what the Bible tells us,

Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.

Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

The Bible teaches us that their are both doctrines of Demons and Men. I believe that their are many Church denominations as a result of both of these. Many Church's today teach that Homosexuals are Good loving people that will enter into heaven. This is not supported by Scripture. Their is a so called Church denomination that sold indulgences to avoid hell, another one by the name of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints, Taught Polygamy was of God. As a result their was a Church split among them, now we have the RLDS and FLDS and they both follow teachings closer to the original LDS Church.

Now, Lets take a walk through the Bible, Looking for either Church denominations or where God started them. We read in the Book of Genesis, God created Adam and Eve. The only two people on the earth at the time along with God. No denomination here. After they had kids time went on, then we come to Noah. Still at this point their is not one mention of a Church Denomination or Church Sect.

Gods Destroyed the earth with water, only 8 people lived. God started over with Noah and his family, Again no Denominations or Sects. After this, the people of the earth started to build a tower to the heavens. God came down and confused their speech so they could not finish this tower. Then after that God called Abram and Sarai his wife out of the land of UR, And founded the Jewish nation from them. Now we have on the planet earth 2 groups of people, The Jews and the gentiles, Gentiles are simply non-Jewish people. Now you can read through the rest of the OT, you will only find the ten tribes of Israel, then they get split up, they all still believe and follow the same God. They might sin and get punished, they might walk away from God for a time, but they still believe in God.

When we get to the NT, We read things about Jesus teaching the people, and hear statements like,

Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake [it] not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that He had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

Notice in these verses here, Jesus states the Pharisees and Sadducees Doctrine was like Levin, meaning sinful and wrong. And we read Jesus put them to silence in Matthew 22:34. If what they were teaching was really of God, why would Jesus say this about them? Lets read more of the Scripture. We read here in

Mar 12:1 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A [certain] man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about [it], and digged [a place for] the wine vat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.

Mar 12:2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.

Mar 12:3 And they caught [him], and beat him, and sent [him] away empty.

Mar 12:4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded [him] in the head, and sent [him] away shamefully handled.

Mar 12:5 And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.

Mar 12:6 Having yet therefore one son, his well beloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

Mar 12:7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.

Mar 12:8 And they took him, and killed [him], and cast [him] out of the vineyard.

Mar 12:9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.

Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Mar 12:11 This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mar 12:12 And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.

Mar 12:13 And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in [his] words.

Mar 12:14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

Mar 12:15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see [it].

Mar 12:16 And they brought [it]. And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

Mar 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Mar 12:18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,

Mar 12:19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave [his] wife [behind him], and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

Mar 12:20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.

Mar 12:21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.

Mar 12:22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.

Mar 12:23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Notice in these verse here, Jesus clearly speaks against what the Pharisees and Sadducees taught, They were so mad they wanted to kill Jesus, but they feared the people. Then later they marveled at His teachings. Why would they marvel at the teachings of Jesus, if they believed what he did and they really followed him? Then later Jesus says about their question, You do Err and do not know the Scripture.

Check these verses out, The Lord Jesus lays a smack down on the Pharisees, Ok, not a smack down, but worse, pronounces Woes upon them. If they simply are a God ordained Denomination, why Did Jesus say this stuff about them?

Luke 11:37 And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat.

Luke 11:38 And when the Pharisee saw [it], he marveled that he had not first washed before dinner.

Luke 11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

Luke 11:40 [Ye] fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?

Luke 11:41 But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.

Luke 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luke 11:43 Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.

Luke 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over [them] are not aware [of them].

Luke 11:45 Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also.

Luke 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, [ye] lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

Luke 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.

Luke 11:48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.

Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and [some] of them they shall slay and persecute:

Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

Luke 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Luke 11:53 And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge [him] vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things:

Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

So Please go through the Scripture and clearly show me where God created various Denominations? They simply are not of God. Rick b

What I (Rick b) Believes

Everyone Asks, What Do I believe.
I believe the Bible is the Word Of God.

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gods States he Puts His Word Above His Name.

Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy loving kindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

If The Word Is God, and Jesus is that Word, As I believe, And God clearly states in the Ten Commandments that we are not take take His Name in vain, then it would tell me Jesus is of great importance and not to take him or what He spoke lightly. I also believe for this reason we do not need added books of scripture.

According to The Word,

2Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.

If that Scripture is true, Then I believe we have all we need for salvation Found in the Bible Alone.

I believe, Satan Attacked Gods Holy Word. We read in

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

God clearly Stated something, But Satan twisted it with doubt by says, Has God Said. I believe if we change or add to what God said we are on very dangerous ground.

I believe We are ALL sinners, even to the point we were born sinners.

Psa 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin [is] ever before me.

Psa 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done [this] evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, [and] be clear when thou judgest.

Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

Rom 5:15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

I believe their was and is only one God, and we are not and cannot ever be a God or God's.

Isa 43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.

sa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].

Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else.

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me.

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me.

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.

I believe one purpose of the Bible and things written are so we may believe and be saved.

Jhn 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

I believe their are False Doctrines. More to the Point, Doctrines of Demons, And Doctrines of men.

Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

I believe in Grace alone no works.

Jhn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God.

I believe in eternal Hell and punishment.

uk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

I believe that Jesus and the apostles said and did things in love and in truth, but could be taken as they had a spirit of contention.

Jhn 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jud 1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

I believe Men will put laws upon us telling us we cannot eat or drink certain foods. But this is not what the Bible says.

Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.

1Cr 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

1Cr 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Prophey in the Bible, either fuffiled or about to be fuffiled, over 8,000 prophecys
Messianic Prophecies in the Psalms

Prophecy 1.God will announce Christ to be his son. (Psalm 2:7) Fulfillment: Matthew 3:17; Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5

2. All things will be put under Christ's feet (psalm 8:6) Fulfillment: 1 cor. 15:27, Hebrews 2:8

3. Christ will be resurrected from the grave (Psalm 16:10) Fulfillment: Mark 16:6,7 Acts 13:35

4. God will forsake Christ in His moment of agony (Psalm 22:1) Fulfillment: Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34

5. Christ will be scorned and ridiculed (Psalm 22:7-8) Fulfillment: Matthew 27:39-43; Luke 23:35

6. Christ's hands and feet will be pierced (Psalm 22:16) Fulfillment: John 20:25,27; Acts 2:23

7. Others will gamble for Christ's cloths (Psalm 22:18) Fulfillment: Matthew 27:35,36

8. Not one of Christ's bones will be broken (Psalm 34:20) Fulfillment: John 19:32,33,36

9. Christ will be hated unjustly (Psalm 35:19) Fulfillment: John 15:25

10. Christ will come to do God's will (Psalm 40:7,8) Fulfillment: Hebrews 10:7

I believe God can do whatever he wants, and than no man or angel can do anything unless the Lord allows it first.

Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Job 40:1 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,

Job 40:2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct [him]? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

Job 40:6 Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

Job 40:7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
Job 40:9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?

Job 42:1 Then Job answered the LORD, and said,

Job 42:2 I know that thou canst do every [thing], and [that] no thought can be withholden from thee.

I believe the Bible is the Only Word Of God. No Other Scriptures, This is what I believe. Also I posted a link to the Church I go to so people can listen on line to the teachings. We go throught the bible chapter by chapter, verse by verse. Sunday we go through the NT, thursday we go throught the OT. Rick B